Talmud su Numeri 10:8

And from where that he was asked in eight¹³⁷The paragraph discusses the rules for the priest Anointed for War. It starts with an assertion that the Anointed for War officiates in the Temple in the High Priest’s garb while later it is asserted without dissent that he be barred from any service in the Sanctuary. The entire topic is a reconstruction of the environment in which one has to place David’s inquiries to God as recorded in the books of Samuel.
The Anointed for War has two jobs. One is to address the army as described in Deut. 20:1–9, the other to ask the Urim and Tummim oracle on behalf of the army commander. Since this oracle is mentioned only in connection with the High Priest’s garments (Ex. 28:30) it is obvious that the Anointed for War must wear one of these garments for the oracle. But since all eight garments of the High Priest form an indivisible unit, he must wear all of them.? Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan : And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants [in his stead]¹³⁸Ex. 29:30 continues: To be anointed in them and inducted into office. Since the one Anointed for War is anointed, he seems to qualify.. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For greatness after him¹³⁹Since the Anointed for War was anointed, he seems to qualify.. And from where that he officiated in eight? Rebbi Jeremiah in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan : And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For sanctity after him. Rebbi Jonah said to him, I was with you;¹⁴⁰The name of R. Jonah’s interlocutor is not given. It must be another student of R. Jeremiah (R. Yose?) since he points out that the words of his teacher were incorrectly transmitted and that R. Jeremiah’s statement was identical with that of R. Abba bar Ḥiyya, the companion of R. Jeremiah’s teacher R. Zeˋira. In the Babli, 73a, the students of R. Joḥanan point out that R. Joḥanan only gave his opinion on interrogation of the oracle, not of officiating. he did not say “officiated” but “was asked”. [In how many was he asked?] Rav Hoshaia brought a Mishnah of Bar Qappara from the South which stated: He officiates neither in the eight of a High Priest nor in the four of a common priest. Rebbi Abba said, it would be logical that he officiate in four. Why did they say that he did not officiate? Lest people say, we saw a High Priest who sometimes officiated in four like a simple priest. Rebbi Jonah said, would he not officiate inside and would he not be asked outside? Does one err between inside and outside? But did Rebbi Tarphon, the father of all of Israel, not err between blowing for assembly and the blowing for a sacrifice? As it is written: The descendants of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets¹⁴¹Num. 10:8., blameless ones, not with bodily defects, the words of Rebbi Aqiba. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons if I did not see my mother’s brother, lame in one of his legs, standing in the Temple court with his trumpet in his hand and blowing! Rebbi Aqiba answered him, Rebbi, maybe you saw him only at the time of assembly¹⁴¹Num. 10:8.; but I was saying, at the time of sacrifices. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons but you did not deviate right or left. I am the one who heard but I could not explain¹⁴²The command to call all the community in the desert by the sound of trumpets (Num. 10:3) is extended to use trumpets to introduce the public Torah reading in the Temple at Tabernacles in the Sabbatical Year (Deut. 31:10–13).. You derive it and agree with tradition. Therefore, anybody who separates from you is as if he separated himself from his life.

¹⁷⁰The text here up to the quote from Bar Qappara’s Mishnah is corrupt, contradictory in itself and mostly missing in B. Since it is a careless copy of the text in Yoma (1:1 38b l. 26) and Megillah (2:12 71a l. 75), an explanation must be based on that text. The paragraph discusses the rules for the priest Anointed for War. It starts with an assertion that the Anointed for War officiates in the Temple in the High Priest’s garb while later it is asserted without dissent that he he barred from any service in the Sanctuary. The entire topic is a reconstruction of the environment in which one has to place David’s inquiries to God as recorded in the books of Samuel.
A consistent whole is found in the Yoma/Megillah text. In the following, standard font is used for the Yoma text; where the Megillah text deviates, it is given in different typeface.
מְנַיִין שֶׁהָיָה (שֶׁהוּא) נִשְׁאַל בִּשְׁמוֹנָה. ר׳ בָּא רִבִּי חִייָה בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. וּבִגְדֵ֤י הַקּוֹדֶשׁ אֲשֶׁ֣ר לְאַֽהֲרֹ֔ן יִהְי֥וּ לְבָנָי֖ו אַֽחֲרָ֑יו. מַה תַלְמוּד לוֹמַר אַֽחֲרָ֑יו. אֶלָּא לִגְדוּלָּה שֶׁלְּאַחֲרָיו. וּמְנַיִין (מְנַיִין) שֶׁהוּא עוֹבֵד בִּשְׁמוֹנָה. רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה ר׳ אִימִּי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. וּבִגְדֵ֤י הַקּוֹדֶשׁ אֲשֶׁ֣ר לְאַֽהֲרֹ֔ן יִהְי֥וּ לְבָנָ֖יו. מַה תַלְמוּד לוֹמַר אַֽחֲרָ֑יו. אֶלָּא לִקְדוּשָּׁה (לִגְדּוּלָּה) שֶׁלְּאַחֲרָיו. אָמַר לֵיהּ רִבִּי יוֹנָה. עִמְּךָ הָיִיתִי. לֹא אָמַר עוֹבֵד אֶלָּא נִשְׁאַל. וּבַמֶּה (בַּמֶּה הוּא) נִשְׁאַל. אַײתֵי רַב הוֹשַׁעִיָה מַתְנִיתָא דְבַר קַפָּרָא מִן דְּרוֹמָא (דְּרוֹמָה) וְתַנָּא. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים. אֵינוֹ עוֹבֵד לֹא בִשְׁמוֹנָה שֶׁל כֹּהֵן גָּדוֹל וְלֹא בְאַרְבָּעָה שֶׁל כֹּהֵן הֶדְיוֹט.
And from where that he was asked in eight¹⁷¹The Anointed for War has two jobs. One is to address the army as described in Deut. 20: 1-9, the other to ask the Urim and Tummim oracle on behalf of the army commander. Since this oracle is mentioned only in connection with the High Priest's garments (Ex. 28:30) it is obvious that the Anointed for War must wear one of these garments for the oracle. But since all eight garments of the High Priest form an indivisible unit, he must wear all of them.? Rebbi Abba Rebbi Hiyya in the name of Rebbi Johanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants in his stead¹⁶³Ex. 29:30. As often, the proof is from the part of the verse not quoted: Seven days the priest shall wear them who of his sons will stand in his stead to officiate in the Sanctuary. The only hereditary office in Divine Service is that of the High Priest. Babli Yoma 72b/73a.. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For greatness after him¹⁷²Ex. 29:30 continues: To be anointed in them and inducted into office. Since the one Anointed for War is anointed, he seems to quality.. And from where that he officiated in eight¹⁷³This seems logical. Since the Anointed for War is required to wear the High Priest's garb, "one increases in sanctity but does not decrease" (cf. Note 151). Otherwise one will have to disquality the Anointed for War from all office in the Sanctuary.? Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Immi in the name of Rebbi Johanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For holiness after him. In what was he asked¹⁷⁴If R. Jeremiah, in opposition to R. Abba bar Hiyya, speaks about officiating, what is his opinion about inquiring from the Urim and Tummim?? Rebbi Jonah said to him¹⁷⁵The name of R. Jonah's interlocutor is not given. It must be another student of R. Jeremiah (R. Yose?) since he points out that the words of his teacher were incorrectly transmitted and that R. Jeremiah's statement was identical with that of R. Abba bar Hiyya, the companion of R. Jeremiah's teacher R. Ze' ira. In the Babli, Yoma 73a, the students of R. Johanan already point out that R. Johanan only gave his opinion on interrogation of the oracle, not of officiating., I was with you; he did not say “officiated” but “was asked”. Rav Hoshaia brought a Mishnah of Bar Qappara from the South which stated: He officiates neither in the four of a common priest nor in the eight of a High Priest. And from where that he officiated in eight? Rebbi Abba bar Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants in his stead¹⁶³Ex. 29:30. As often, the proof is from the part of the verse not quoted: Seven days the priest shall wear them who of his sons will stand in his stead to officiate in the Sanctuary. The only hereditary office in Divine Service is that of the High Priest. Babli Yoma 72b/73a.. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For greatness after him. And from where that he was asked in eight? Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Immi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants in his stead. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For holiness after him. In what was he asked? They brought it, רבבהו, a Mishnah of Bar Qappara came from the South which stated: He officiates neither in the four of a common priest nor in the eight of a High Priest. Rebbi Abba said, it would be logical that he officiate in four¹⁷⁶He holds that as a matter of principle, the Anointed for War could use the eight garments of the High Priest strictly for his duties outside the sanctuary and still be a common priest inside without violating the principle of Note 151. The Babli disagrees (Yoma 73a) and bases the rule strictly on that principle.. Why did they say that he did not officiate? Lest people say, we saw a simple priest who sometimes officiated in eight like a High Priest¹⁷⁷In contrast to the Babli, this would be strictly a rabbinic rule, not based on biblical principles, and therefore not a historical reconstruction by a new rule for the days of the Messiah.. Rebbi Jonah said, would he not officiate inside and would he not be asked outside? Does one err between inside and outside? But did Rebbi Tarphon, the teacher of all of Israel, not err between blowing for assembly and the blowing for a sacrifice? As it is written: The descendants of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets¹⁷⁸Num. 10:8., blameless ones, not with bodily defects, the words of Rebbi Aqiba. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons¹⁷⁹His oath formula, cursing himself if his statement should be found false. Babli Šabbat 17a. if I did not see Simeon, my mother’s brother, lame in one of his legs, standing in the Temple court with his trumpet in his hand and blowing! Rebbi Aqiba answered him, maybe you saw him only at the time of assembly¹⁸⁰The command to call all the community in the desert by the sound of trumpets (Num. 10:3) is extended to use trumpets to introduce the public Torah reading in the Temple at Tabernacles in the Sabbatical Year (Deut. 31:10–13).; but I was saying, at the time of sacrifices¹⁸¹Num. 10:10; cf. Sanhedrin 3:3 Note 155.. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons but you did not deviate right or left. I am the one who heard but I could not explain. You derive it and agree with tradition. Therefore, anybody who separates from you is as if he separated himself from his life¹⁸²A similar text in Sifry Num. 75 (a better text Yalqut 725)..

HALAKHAH: It was stated: No less than seven and no more than sixteen¹⁰⁵Tosephta 4:10 in the name of R. Jehudah.. This Tanna¹⁰⁵Tosephta 4:10 in the name of R. Jehudah. considers blowing straight, modulated, and straight as one unit; the other Tanna considers each single one of them as a unit. You find to say, three for each tribe; Rebbi Jehudah says, three for each standard¹⁰⁶This refers to Num. 10:5–6 (Sifry Num. 73), that the trumpets blown by Cohanim in the Sanctuary also were used to give the signals for departure of the tribes in the desert. The tribes were organized into standards, three tribes for each standard. Since for R. Jehudah three blowings form a unit, the question arises whether there were three or nine sounds heard for each standard.. But it was stated, and nine at the tenth step. That is another one¹⁰⁷Mishnah 7, which does not mention the tenth step, contradicts Mishnah 5.. He who has “three on top of the altar” does not have “at the tenth step;” he who has “at the tenth step” does not have “three on top of the altar”¹⁰⁸Since Mishnah 5 does not mention that the actual pouring of the water on the altar was accompanied by trumpet sounds, the total number of units is equal in Mishnaiot 5 and 7; that number can be taken as a trustworthy tradition. The only difference in traditions refers to the place where the additional sounds were produced. Babli 54a.. Rebbi Ze`ira said, this implies that they only blew the trumpet at the water libation¹⁰⁹But not on the tenth step.. If you are saying, for the drawings, one should state, three for drawing water today, and three for drawing water for tomorrow¹¹⁰Parallel to the trumpet blowing on the occasion of the daily wine libation; Mishnah Tamid 7:3.. Are these it? Are there not others, nine for musaf on the Sabbath, nine for the musaf on a New Moon, and nine for the musaf of the New Year’s day holiday¹¹¹Since blowing at musaf was mentioned in the Mishnah, the question arises whether separate musaf offerings require separate trumpet blowings.? But it must follow him who said, they shall blow, in the course of the musaf sacrifices¹¹²Num. 10:8. Since the ram’s horn on New Year’s Day may be blown by any one of Israel, it follows that the trumpet blowing on Sabbath, holiday, and new Moon mentioned in 10:10, since it may be done only by Cohanim, refers to musaf. Since the days are enumerated separately it follows that on a New Year’s Day which is a Sabbath (and automatically a day of New Moon), three sets of musaf require three separate blowings. Babli 54a.. The rabbis of Caesarea in the name of Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa: Even following him who said they shall blow, in the course of the musaf sacrifices, they were adding modulated sounds¹¹³In the scribe’s text reading תרועות for תקועות. Since R. Jehudah considers any sequence of sounds preceded and followed by an extended single tone as a single unit, there may be many modulated sounds within one musaf unit. The corrector’s correction of the non-word תקועות to תקיעות makes little sense in the context., they were not adding straight tones.

And from where that he was asked in eight⁴⁴⁷The Anointed for War has two jobs. One is to address the army as described in Deut. 20:1–9, the other to ask the Urim and Tummim oracle on behalf of the army commander. Since this oracle is mentioned only in connection with the High Priest’s garments (Ex. 28:30) it is obvious that the Anointed for War must wear one of these garments for the oracle. But since all eight garments of the High Priest form an indivisible unit, he must wear all of them.? Rebbi Abba, Rebbi Ḥiyya, Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants in his stead⁴⁴⁰Ex. 29:30. As often, the proof is from the part of the verse not quoted: Seven days the priest shall wear them, who of his sons will stand in his stead to officiate in the Sanctuary. The only hereditary office in Divine Service is that of the High Priest. Babli Yoma72b/73a.. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For greatness after him⁴⁴⁸Also for a secondary greatness.. And from where that he officiated in eight⁴⁴⁹This seems logical. Since the Anointed for War is required to wear the High Priest’s garb, “one increases in sanctity but does not decrease” (cf. Note 429). The opposing opinion disqualifies the Anointed for War from all office in the Sanctuary.? Rebbi Immi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: And Aaron’s holy garments shall be for his descendants. Why does the verse say, in his stead? For greatness after him. Rebbi Jonah said to him⁴⁵⁰The name of R. Jonah’s interlocutor is not given; it is presumed to be his colleague R. Yose. He notes that R. Immi’s statement was identical to that of of R. Ḥiyya. In the Babli, Yoma 73a, the students of R. Joḥanan already point out that R. Joḥanan only gave his opinion on interrogation of the oracle, not of officiating., I was with you; he did not say “officiated” but “was asked”. Rav Hoshaia brought a Mishnah of Bar Qappara from the South which stated: But the Sages are saying that he is qualified neither in the four of a common priest nor in the eight of a High Priest⁴⁴⁹This seems logical. Since the Anointed for War is required to wear the High Priest’s garb, “one increases in sanctity but does not decrease” (cf. Note 429). The opposing opinion disqualifies the Anointed for War from all office in the Sanctuary.. Rebbi Abba said, it would be logical that he officiate in four. Why did they say that he does not officiate? Lest people say, we saw a High Priest, sometimes he officiates in four, sometimes he officiates in eight⁴⁵²He holds that as a matter of principle, the Anointed for War could use the eight garments of the High Priest strictly for his duties outside the sanctuary and still be a common priest inside without violating the principle of Note 429. The Babli disagrees (Yoma73a) and bases the rule strictly on that principle. In contrast to the Babli, this would be strictly a rabbinic rule, not based on biblical principles, and therefore not a historical reconstruction by a new rule for the days of the Messiah.. Rebbi Jonah said, would he not officiate inside and would he not be asked outside? Does one err between inside and outside? But did Rebbi Tarphon, the father of all of Israel, not err between blowing for assembly and the blowing for a sacrifice? As it is stated: The descendants of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets⁴⁵³Num. 10:8., blameless ones, not with bodily defects, the words of Rebbi Aqiba. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons⁴⁵⁴His oath formula, cursing himself if his statement should be found false. Babli Šabbat17a. if I did not see Simeon, my mother’s brother, lame in one of his legs, standing in the Temple court with his trumpet in his hand and blowing! Rebbi Aqiba answered him, maybe you saw him only at the time of assembly⁴⁵⁵The command to call all the community in the desert by the sound of trumpets (Num. 10:3) is extended to use trumpets to introduce the public Torah reading in the Temple at Tabernacles in the Sabbatical Year (Deut. 31:10–13).; but I was saying, at the time of sacrifices⁴⁵⁶Num. 10:10; cf. Sanhedrin3:3 Note 155.. Rebbi Tarphon said to him, I would hit my sons but you did not deviate right or left. I am the one who saw the act and forgot. You derive it and agree with tradition. Therefore, anybody who separates from you is as if he separated himself from his life⁴⁵⁷A similar text in Sifry Num.75 (a better text Yalqut #725)..