Mga Sanggunian sa Talmud para sa Job 6:10: Jerusalem Talmud Shabbat, Jerusalem Talmud Maasrot & Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin

Rebbi Ḥelbo, Rav Anan in the name of Rav: it only said “on top of it.” Therefore not into it²¹On top of the stove, far from the fuel. It is forbidden to leave the food if the pot touches the flame. Babli 37a.. How far? Ulla said, up three [hand breadths]²²Distant from the fire. Numbers in the masculine denote handbreadths.. Rebbi Mana said, up to where he would make an impression²³It is forbidden to dislocate the ashes on the coals in the stove, but otherwise there are no limitations.. Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Abun said, because he has mastery at a place where the hand has mastery²⁴If the pot can be handled with bare hands, without a potholder, there are no restriction on where the pot is put.
The Babli uses the rare biblical word סולדת (Job 6:10) “to jump”, decreeing that the pot may be returned to the stove only if “the hand does not jump”, it is not so hot that one needs a potholder. It seems that under the influence of Greek, in the mouth of the Galileans the word šōleṭet sounded to Babylonian ears as sōledet.. This comes as what Rebbi Zeˋira said in the name of Rebbi²⁵Read with the quote later in the Chapter (Note 148): Rav. Rashba (Novellae ad 40b) reads here the full text there. Jehudah: It is permitted to make lukewarm at a place where the hand has mastery but it is forbidden at a place where the hand has no mastery²⁶On the Sabbath itself one may use food or drink which are hot but may be touched to warm cold food to lukewarm. In the Babli (40b) Rav Jehudah permits to heat oil even if the hand jumps..

It was stated¹⁴¹Babli 42a.: “One may add hot water to cold but not cold to hot¹⁴²The House of Shammai hold that the matter which is in a vessel always dominates what is added to it; therefore hot water always will heat, which is forbidden, and cold water always will cool, which is permitted., following the words of the House of Shammai. But the House of Hillel say, whether hot to cold or cold to hot it is permitted. When has this been said? Into a cup¹⁴³A small quantity which never could heat so much that it could not be touched., but into a bathtub¹⁴⁴Greek ἐμβατή, ἡ “bath”. hot to cold is permitted but cold to hot is forbidden, and Rebbi Simeon [ben Menassia]¹⁴⁵Added from G; necessary by the following text. permits¹⁴⁶In the Babylonian sources: “forbids”..” Rav comes following Rebbi Simeon ben Menassia and Rebbi Joḥanan following Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri. It was stated: “Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri forbids.” ¹⁴⁷Babli 40b, Tosephta 3:5 (ed. Liebermann). The position attributed here to R. Meïr there is anonymous.“A person may fill an amphora full of water and put it close to the pyre, not that it become hot but to disperse its coldness. A person may immerse himself in cold water, come out and warm himself next to the pyre, the words of Rebbi Meïr, but the Sages forbid.” Rebbi Meïr says it correctly; what is the rabbis’ reason? ¹⁴⁸Cf. Notes 25,26. It should come as what Rebbi Zeˋira said in the name of Rav Jehudah: It is permitted to make lukewarm at a place where the hand rules²⁴If the pot can be handled with bare hands, without a potholder, there are no restriction on where the pot is put.
The Babli uses the rare biblical word סולדת (Job 6:10) “to jump”, decreeing that the pot may be returned to the stove only if “the hand does not jump”, it is not so hot that one needs a potholder. It seems that under the influence of Greek, in the mouth of the Galileans the word šōleṭet sounded to Babylonian ears as sōledet.; it is forbidden to make lukewarm at a place where the hand does not rule. ¹⁴⁹From here on there exists a parallel in Maˋserot 1:6 (Notes 160–179) (מ). Even how far “where the hand does not rule”? Rebbi Jehudah bar Pazi, Rebbi Simon in the name of Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina: Up to where he puts his hand and it is burned¹⁵⁰The Babli is more restrictive..

¹⁶¹This and the next three sections are copied from Šabbat Chapter 3, in the discussion of Mishnah 5: “If a (still hot) samowar was emptied, one may not fill it (on the Sabbath) with water to heat the water but one may fill it with (a large quantity of) water to make the water lukewarm.” The problem is, what larger category of vessel does the samowar represent regarding cooking on the Sabbath? For that category it will then be forbidden to use untithed oil as specified in our Mishnah. How far? Rebbi Jehudah bar Pazi, Rebbi Simon, in the name of Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina: Unless he would burn his hand if he put it in¹⁶²In the Babli (e. g., Šabbat 40b), the vessel is forbidden if היד סולדת בו, the hand jumps off (or trembles) when it touches. One may assume that Galilean שולטת “rules over”, which had lost the /š/, sounded in Babylonian ears like Biblical (Job 6:10) סוֹלדת “trembles”. This required a switch between “permitted” (if שולטת) and “forbidden” (if סולדת).. Everybody agrees that a second vessel¹⁶³A vessel into which the hot food was poured. According to Rashi, a “first vessel” is one whose walls heat the food, a “second vessel” one whose walls are heated by the food, as, e. g., a thermos bottle. “Permitted” here means that cold water or food can be put into it without restriction. “Everybody” is R. Meїr and R. Jehudah who in the Halakhah in Šabbat disagree on the technicalities of turning cold water into lukewarm. is permitted. What is the difference between first and second vessels? Rebbi Yose bar Abun said, here the hand holds, there the hand does not hold. Rebbi Jonah said, in both cases the hand does not hold but they decreed removal for a first but not a second vessel¹⁶⁴In his opinion, once the fire under the samowar is extinguished there cannot be any biblical prohibition of cooking; the entire Mishnah is rabbinic.. Rebbi Mana said, that platter of rice supports my father¹⁶⁵R. Jonah., that platter of grits supports my father since you remove it from place to place and it is still boiling¹⁶⁶Being far from the fire, it is no longer a “first vessel”..